I accept only the Bible as God’s authoritative Word. The Apocrypha of course are not Scripture.
Of course no one is born again merely through the doing of “good works.” Paul emphasizes this repeatedly as the early churches were in cultures where merely “doing good” was seen as pleasing to their former gods.
I accept only the Bible as God’s authoritative Word. The Apocrypha of course are not Scripture.
Of course no one is born again merely through the doing of “good works.” Paul emphasizes this repeatedly as the early churches were in cultures where merely “doing good” was seen as pleasing to their former gods.
This “work ethic” for being born again has mixed with the former American secular cousin work ethic (now largely gone) to cause continuing confusion as to exactly how one is “converted” into a Chridtian.
Many have gotten the cart before the horse in ghat “good works” (the real ones that God sees as worship to Him) comes AFTER one is born again. Most Americans, however, like many Paul was addressing in his epistles, have it backwards and think secular “good works” accomplish salvation.
While God will sift all of our “works” as believers, that has nothing to do with His seeing us as “pure.” That is solely a result of our believing in and accepting the Biblical Gospel so as to have Christ’s purity and righteousness imputed to us.
“Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will not pass away” (Matthew 24:35).
“I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it” (Matthew 16:18).
It is not a zero sum issue. Christ left both. And by “church” He did not leave any of the modern-day “churches” that may claim some special place in God’s economy.
As to what the “church” is, this is but one of many good references that summarize the biblical (rather than human religious doctrine) teaching:
Literally the canon wasn't chosen until the 4th Century when the Church council made their decision -- and those books that you describe as Apocryphal were in there. They remain in the Catholic Bible as part of the canon, as they have always been.
Others (Luther et al.) have included the Apocrypha for non-Scriptural background. The error comes when religions or denominations conflate it with Scripture.
We are in perilous times on every front, including especially and paramountly spiritually. Of course, while none of this is “new” in the sense that the spiritual war between Almighty God and satan ever since the latter’s fall from Heaven, it is apparently coming to a crescendo if the level of depravity, perversion and apostasy is any indication.
That is the main reason why it is so important that people hear the truth of the Scriptural (rather than the encrustations placed on it by religions, denominations and “nondenominational” churches) Gospel so they can fairly choose which path they take.
Sadly, as God tells us in Matthew 7 most will choose the world that includes the myriad religious traps of false “gospels:”
13 “Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. 14 But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.”
I comment here not to be argumentative but because I am constrained and impelled by God to speak His Truth given to us in His Word.
Anything that contradicts His Word, whether religious doctrine or not and whether or not well-intended, must give way. This point is lost on more and more “christian” churches that forget the parable of the rich young ruler. Jesus spelled out plainly what was required for the man to be one of His followers but the man could not let go of his worldly things. See Mt. 19:16-22
These worldly things today include the many sinful and perverse social issues (abortion, homosexuality, misgendering etc.) that more and more churches are avoiding , primarily out of concern they will offend and cause to leave (with their pocketbooks) their most “generous” demographic—50-60 year olds who have children/grandchildren who are involved in some way in these matters as millennials and Gen-zers.
You will clearly be very happy with the Xi Jinping’s translation and claim it to have even greater authority than Luther and his biblical deconstructionist buddies developed. The Magisterium just floats around until a sociopathic priest or communist leader comes along to straighten it all out for those right thinking people.
Yes, there are many passages warning us as to the false hope of money and other worldly “assets” if they effectively become our idols in place of the one true God.
That is a very unchristian reply. Perhaps a better reply would be “perhaps you are on the wrong passage?” See how that works?
I am on a tractor bush hogging a field and could not see your post well.
As to verse 30 and following, I believe I understand quite well what the Scriptures tell us on the subject at hand, having done a number of studies on these points in the 50 years since I was born again.
I have also had the “benefit” of seeing first hand the things I speak of as I relocated many times in my 33 years’ as a Marine and had to find churches in each new place.
In any event, I post here to neither argue or insult anyone. Perhaps you might benefit from that approach as well.
I accept only the Bible as God’s authoritative Word. The Apocrypha of course are not Scripture.
Of course no one is born again merely through the doing of “good works.” Paul emphasizes this repeatedly as the early churches were in cultures where merely “doing good” was seen as pleasing to their former gods.
This “work ethic” for being born again has mixed with the former American secular cousin work ethic (now largely gone) to cause continuing confusion as to exactly how one is “converted” into a Chridtian.
Many have gotten the cart before the horse in ghat “good works” (the real ones that God sees as worship to Him) comes AFTER one is born again. Most Americans, however, like many Paul was addressing in his epistles, have it backwards and think secular “good works” accomplish salvation.
While God will sift all of our “works” as believers, that has nothing to do with His seeing us as “pure.” That is solely a result of our believing in and accepting the Biblical Gospel so as to have Christ’s purity and righteousness imputed to us.
Christ left us a Church, not a Bible. That Church assembled the Bible, which includes the books that you now reject.
“Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will not pass away” (Matthew 24:35).
“I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it” (Matthew 16:18).
It is not a zero sum issue. Christ left both. And by “church” He did not leave any of the modern-day “churches” that may claim some special place in God’s economy.
As to what the “church” is, this is but one of many good references that summarize the biblical (rather than human religious doctrine) teaching:
https://bible.org/seriespage/lesson-1-what-church-various-scriptures
Literally the canon wasn't chosen until the 4th Century when the Church council made their decision -- and those books that you describe as Apocryphal were in there. They remain in the Catholic Bible as part of the canon, as they have always been.
Others (Luther et al.) have included the Apocrypha for non-Scriptural background. The error comes when religions or denominations conflate it with Scripture.
We are in perilous times on every front, including especially and paramountly spiritually. Of course, while none of this is “new” in the sense that the spiritual war between Almighty God and satan ever since the latter’s fall from Heaven, it is apparently coming to a crescendo if the level of depravity, perversion and apostasy is any indication.
That is the main reason why it is so important that people hear the truth of the Scriptural (rather than the encrustations placed on it by religions, denominations and “nondenominational” churches) Gospel so they can fairly choose which path they take.
Sadly, as God tells us in Matthew 7 most will choose the world that includes the myriad religious traps of false “gospels:”
13 “Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. 14 But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.”
I comment here not to be argumentative but because I am constrained and impelled by God to speak His Truth given to us in His Word.
Anything that contradicts His Word, whether religious doctrine or not and whether or not well-intended, must give way. This point is lost on more and more “christian” churches that forget the parable of the rich young ruler. Jesus spelled out plainly what was required for the man to be one of His followers but the man could not let go of his worldly things. See Mt. 19:16-22
These worldly things today include the many sinful and perverse social issues (abortion, homosexuality, misgendering etc.) that more and more churches are avoiding , primarily out of concern they will offend and cause to leave (with their pocketbooks) their most “generous” demographic—50-60 year olds who have children/grandchildren who are involved in some way in these matters as millennials and Gen-zers.
You will clearly be very happy with the Xi Jinping’s translation and claim it to have even greater authority than Luther and his biblical deconstructionist buddies developed. The Magisterium just floats around until a sociopathic priest or communist leader comes along to straighten it all out for those right thinking people.
You could try Acts 8: 30-31.
Yes, there are many passages warning us as to the false hope of money and other worldly “assets” if they effectively become our idols in place of the one true God.
It seems you are reading some other passage. Perhaps that offers some explanation as to how you have become so mixed up re Christ's Church.
That is a very unchristian reply. Perhaps a better reply would be “perhaps you are on the wrong passage?” See how that works?
I am on a tractor bush hogging a field and could not see your post well.
As to verse 30 and following, I believe I understand quite well what the Scriptures tell us on the subject at hand, having done a number of studies on these points in the 50 years since I was born again.
I have also had the “benefit” of seeing first hand the things I speak of as I relocated many times in my 33 years’ as a Marine and had to find churches in each new place.
In any event, I post here to neither argue or insult anyone. Perhaps you might benefit from that approach as well.
Jumpinjarhead, you are very muddled, and there are very few ways of telling you that that you won't take offence at.
I am out of here as your post seems more suited to the sewer now known as X. Why get so personal when you do not even know me.
You may want to reflect on the “spirit” behind your posts.